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#1 Administrator forumsadmin@satribune.com Posts: 2,258 Registered: Dec, 1969 India Left in the Lurch by US vis-a-vis Pakistan Posted: Sep 13, 2003 12:50 AM Reply Discuss the story India Left in the Lurch by US vis-a-vis Pakistan at http://www.satribune.com/archives/sep14_20_03/opinion_chellaney.htm Your message will be posted unedited, but we reserve the right to edit or remove any message

#2 Indian indian@aol.com Posts: 533 From: post Registered: Sep, 2003 Re: India Left in the Lurch by US vis-a-vis Pakistan Posted: Sep 15, 2003 7:54 AM Reply It is an excellent analytical piece. The state department is also run by a former general - who originally failed in Iraq as he did not complete the mission that he was assigned. Powell knows his hands are not going to get dirty - so he can support dictators like Mush. India will have to fight its own battles - forget Powell, he is more hollow than suspected.

#3 Khan solidfuelmissile@yahoo.com Posts: 77 From: San Diego Registered: Aug, 2003 Disabled Re: India Left in the Lurch by US vis-a-vis Pakistan Posted: Sep 19, 2003 9:41 PM Reply Deleted: Pl don't use abusive language [Edited by: admin on Sep 19, 2003 10:06 PM]

#4 Nusrat Rizvi rizvioct@hotmail.com Posts: 204 From: Karachi Registered: Jun, 2003 Re: India Left in the Lurch by US vis-a-vis Pakistan Posted: Sep 20, 2003 8:32 AM Reply But question is, WHEN will India start fighting its own battles? I am tired of waiting listening to all this buk buk buk from India. Why don't they stop talking and show evil Pakistan what they are made of and make our teeth rattle? Somehow, I doubt they will, LOL. Once a soft state, always a soft state.

#5 oracle poysolreenga@hotmail.com Posts: 41 Registered: Sep, 2003 Disabled Re: India Left in the Lurch by US vis-a-vis Pakistan Posted: Sep 20, 2003 4:21 PM Reply > But question is, WHEN will India start fighting its > own battles? I am tired of waiting listening to all > this buk buk buk from India. Why don't they stop > talking and show evil Pakistan what they are made of > and make our teeth rattle? > > Somehow, I doubt they will, LOL. Once a soft state, > always a soft state. oh dear friend india is fighting its war, dont worry. better a soft state than a terrorist state !!!! http://sify.com/news/othernews/fullstory.php?id=13224859 Top Hizbul militant held in Kashmir http://us.rediff.com/news/2003/aug/08jk.htm Top Lashkar terrorist gunned down in J&K http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/aug/30jk.htm Ghazi Baba killed in Srinagar gunbattle http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3115706.stm Kashmir police 'kill top militant' http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030916/168/5a8id.html An Indian policeman crawls out from a secret hideout of Jaish-e-Mohammad http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_382990,000900010002.htm Four terrorists killed in J&K, 25 kg RDX seized India should not and must not look up to the US or for that matter any country for solving its problems. every country looks after only their interests. so is US , so is pakistan and so will be india.

#6 Nusrat Rizvi rizvioct@hotmail.com Posts: 204 From: Karachi Registered: Jun, 2003 Re: India Left in the Lurch by US vis-a-vis Pakistan Posted: Sep 21, 2003 1:16 AM Reply Typical response... coming up with a collection of articles. Clerk-Babu mentality. No, India isn't fighting anyone. Its just collecting bruises from what everyone can see. An encounter here, a dead militant there... thats not the way to put down a rebellion. So WHEN will India take the war to Pakistan? When they get rid of their Secretarial Babu mentality thats when. And WHEN will that be? NEVER.

#7 oracle poysolreenga@hotmail.com Posts: 41 Registered: Sep, 2003 Disabled Re: India Left in the Lurch by US vis-a-vis Pakistan Posted: Sep 21, 2003 1:44 AM Reply > Typical response... coming up with a collection of > articles. Clerk-Babu mentality. typical response from a paki who doesnt see the writing on the wall even after his head is smashed against it. > No, India isn't fighting anyone. Its just collecting > bruises from what everyone can see. An encounter > here, a dead militant there... thats not the way to > put down a rebellion. sorry as far as i know, that is the only way to put down sponsored terrorism. and it seems to be a success too. india and pak started off in more or less the same condition and we know where we both are today, don't we? > So WHEN will India take the war to Pakistan? When > they get rid of their Secretarial Babu mentality > thats when. And WHEN will that be? NEVER. No, we never want to take the war to pakistan. pakistan is doing a fine job of destroying it society by itself. we do not believe wasting our human and material resources for a futile war. we just need to protect our borders and pick off the terrorists as they come over.. like this http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030920/168/5c20d.html http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_382990,000900010002.htm http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IEH20030920143456&Page=H&Title=Top+Stories&rLink=0 US support has never been there and never will be there. they r too busy to protect their own interests in the mess in afghan and iraq.

#8 Nusrat Rizvi rizvioct@hotmail.com Posts: 204 From: Karachi Registered: Jun, 2003 Re: India Left in the Lurch by US vis-a-vis Pakistan Posted: Sep 21, 2003 6:47 AM Reply >typical response from a paki who doesn't see the >writing on the wall even after his head is smashed >against it. Wow. Hindoo ko ghussa aa-gya, LOL. Its not OUR heads that are being smashed, bro. Read Chellaney's article again. Question was, when will India fight its own battles? Answer is, never. The only way to put down a rebellion is to go to the source and deal with the source (Pakistan, I'm proud to say). Anyone in India doing that? No? hahahahahahahah >india and pak started off in more or less the same >condition and we know where we both are today, don't we? Yes, we know. $100Billion external debt and 600million who can't even afford one meal a day. And YOU are going to fight your own battles? This I have to see..... Good luck.

#9 oracle poysolreenga@hotmail.com Posts: 41 Registered: Sep, 2003 Disabled Re: India Left in the Lurch by US vis-a-vis Pakistan Posted: Sep 21, 2003 1:13 PM Reply > Its not OUR heads that are being smashed, bro. Read > Chellaney's article again. Question was, when will > India fight its own battles? Answer is, never. > The only way to put down a rebellion is to go to the > source and deal with the source (Pakistan, I'm proud > to say). Anyone in India doing that? No? > hahahahahahahah u r entitled to ur opinions. i am glad that pakistan is maintaining the terrorist orgs LeT, JeM etc. keep sending 'em over. we got enuf bullets to bust them all the way to their 72 houris in jannat. btw, latest news, Pak minister admits Dawood’s presence in Pakistan. keep guys like them in ur society, they add tremendous value.. http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IEL20030921030850&Title=B+R+E+A+K+I+N+G++++N+E+W+S&rLink=0 > Yes, we know. $100Billion external debt and > 600million who can't even afford one meal a day. And > YOU are going to fight your own battles? This I have > to see..... funny, u didnt care to get the whole pic.times are changing. http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=40232 Government To Prepay $1.5 Bn By Month-end http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2003/09/21/stories/2003092101460300.htm Forex reserves touch $87.9 b on NRI remittances the percentage of poor w.r.t to the rest of population is lessening in india whereas in Pak it is growing. our homegrown industries in auto sector, IT sector etc are now competing for world markets. TATA Motors is now making and selling Indica with Rover in UK under the name cityrover. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3117520.stm India firm rolls out next Rover whereas all the traditional Pak local industries like footwear and toys are now swamped with cheap chinese products http://www.dawn.com/2003/09/21/ebr2.htm Chinese shoes swarm local market By Aamir Shafaat Khan pl dont compare the economic strengths, for ur own sake...

#10 santanu nandy babua@vsnl.com Posts: 152 From: India Registered: Aug, 2002 Disabled Re: India Left in the Lurch by US vis-a-vis Pakistan Posted: Sep 22, 2003 4:31 AM Reply Read whats going on on the PoK http://balawaristan.net/humanrights.htm http://balawaristan.net/pakistanevils.htm and its a local political party not affiliated to India!!

#11 Nusrat Rizvi rizvioct@hotmail.com Posts: 204 From: Karachi Registered: Jun, 2003 Re: India Left in the Lurch by US vis-a-vis Pakistan Posted: Sep 22, 2003 5:22 AM Reply I can also get many, many, articles on the web, saying nasty things about India... But its so tiresome. All you have proved to me that yes, India and Pakistan really were made by lawyers (Gandhi, Jinnah). LOL. M'lud... yea supporting document ko aap apni ^*#$$*@ may daal kay dekhain....

#12 oracle poysolreenga@hotmail.com Posts: 41 Registered: Sep, 2003 Disabled Re: India Left in the Lurch by US vis-a-vis Pakistan Posted: Sep 22, 2003 9:47 PM Reply dearest nusrat if i make statements , proof is asked if i show proof, proof from non-indian media is asked if i quote non-indian media, i am called a lawyer, not that i care much for lawyers, but i do like ur humor in the end note. it is not about who is nasty. it is about exposing the hypocrisy and the web of lies and deceit. a few gullible readers may get misled by browsing the amount of nonsense in the net. just my small effort.

#13 Nusrat Rizvi rizvioct@hotmail.com Posts: 204 From: Karachi Registered: Jun, 2003 Re: India Left in the Lurch by US vis-a-vis Pakistan Posted: Sep 28, 2003 8:36 AM Reply >if i quote non-indian media, i am called a lawyer, not >that i care much for lawyers, but i do like ur humor in >the end note. You are no lawyer... If you have ever been near a lawyer, you would know they would rather drink toilet-water than do their own research. No.. their clerk-babu does it for them. I consider you a clerk-babu at best. >a few gullible readers may get misled by browsing the >amount of nonsense in the net. just my small effort. Yes, your small effort has impressed your mother for sure. Now you got to impress me.

#14 aarish waghera@yahoo.com Posts: 64 From: islamabad Registered: Oct, 2003 Re: India Left in the Lurch by US vis-a-vis Pakistan Posted: Oct 23, 2003 7:57 PM Reply Actually Nusrat is right india has always been helped by the world in its wars against paksitan be they 1948,65 or 71,,, and now kargill. they always have the security council working for them make no mistake about it, whenever there is an islamic state pitted against a non islamic state, the UN wont waste time in containing the muslim state. they have all the tools ready in the form of resolutions, sanctions, embargos, abstained votes and Vetos. actually india doesnt need a seat at security council . it has its nominess sitting there,already. and no, india hasnt been left in lurch by the USA, this can never happen. india has a huge market, which can be defferred for a short while but never ignored, they do not have failed and sham democracies, they have the tendency to adapt western values to any flexible limits :)----:) they do not have the law nad order problems,like we have in pakistan their military is professional and doesnt meddle in the affairs of the government like we have in pakistan. they have a huge indian community in USA,, second only to AIPAC in USA, they have enormous wealth hidden only id they had wiser statesman who could propell india to the fast lane :( sigh NONE. aarish

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