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#1 Administrator forumsadmin@satribune.com Posts: 2,250 Registered: Dec, 1969 Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague Posted: Jun 7, 2005 2:53 PM Reply Discuss the story Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague at http://www.satribune.com/archives/200506/P1_butt.htm - Your message will be posted unedited, but we reserve the right to edit or remove any message. - Please Do NOT use indecent or abusive language. NO personal attacks please. NO communal or religious bigotry please. - Please stay on the subject - Report abusive language to the Admin

#2 david davidsolomon32@hotmail.com Posts: 125 From: netherland Registered: Jan, 2005 Re: Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague Posted: Jun 7, 2005 3:48 PM Reply utter nonsense about charge of corruption on general amjab. what ever the clash of institutions but personal integrity of general amjad is above board.

#3 sara malik saraarif@hotmail.com Posts: 61 From: sialkot Registered: May, 2005 Re: Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague Posted: Jun 7, 2005 5:37 PM Reply its reality that to some High Rank officers r playing with Foundation.its only the discussion of a sugar mill but overall if Govt will notice other activities of this foundation then many HIDDENS will be prominent like Fauji foundation schools, vocational training areas.... Y they r still not punished.to solve this problem first u must know that who is the BLAK SHEEP? GHQ has become a mouse home for everyone. also search more for other activities??? its so embaracing situation for Pakistan but dont involve in this issue all people like Musharaf coz HIS IS BZ now a days FOR SOME other projects......

#4 Abdul Jabbar ajabbarusa@yahoo.com Posts: 158 From: Connecticut Registered: Jun, 2003 Re: Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague Posted: Jun 7, 2005 5:39 PM Reply David, how are you so confident. Are you his relative, or best friend, or partner or batman. Please explain, otherwise we would be right in believing that you are an army guy, disguised at David something, writing in favor of Generals without establishing where you are coming from.

#5 david davidsolomon32@hotmail.com Posts: 125 From: netherland Registered: Jan, 2005 Re: Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague Posted: Jun 7, 2005 5:49 PM Reply none of those . every body knows him through his repuation in NAB and he was transfered because he started inquiry against chaudhries , arrested cousins of jamalis, arrested faisal saleh hayat, arrested many top ranking civil officers, also was instrumental in bringing back admiral mansoor.You see the list in his tenure ,it is impressive. The money recovered and covictions speak for themselves. Lastly unlike other generals despite high profile jobs , one house in his name as declared by him in 2000. So no defense of others but he enjoys good repuation where ever he has served. The article in its text has reflected on the question of legislatures supremacy over army. So institutional rivalry doesnot mean that one is corrupt also.

#6 Abdul Jabbar ajabbarusa@yahoo.com Posts: 158 From: Connecticut Registered: Jun, 2003 Re: Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague Posted: Jun 7, 2005 6:03 PM Reply David you have not written a word about the charge against Amjad that he sold a sugar mill at 87 million less than highest bid, that this info was given to the Assembly by Defence Ministry, that Amjad refuses to appear before a Senate committee, that Nisar Memon is acting as a tout of the Army, that Sher Afgan Niazi is opposing Nisar Memon, that Aitzaz, Farhat Babar, and others are up in arms against the encroachment on Senate powers. All this because Amjad cannot explain the underhand deal of sugar mills. What else is corruption? Giving a few jobs to constituents like Yusuf Raza Gilani, and putting people in jail because of that or reading a letter received in mail, as Javed Hashmi.

#7 david davidsolomon32@hotmail.com Posts: 125 From: netherland Registered: Jan, 2005 Re: Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague Posted: Jun 7, 2005 6:16 PM Reply I have no knowledge about the said issue but i agree that he should appear before the commitee and explain. supremacy of the legislature has to be established.My hunch is that army estab is stopping him from appearing. he is not shy of media. i remember his grillling jand and news group journalists and irshad haqqani praised his commitment and style of working. Certainly javed hashmis case is politically motivated, but yousaf raza gillani is speaking high of the same mussharaaf whose govt was responsible for putting him behind the bars.

#8 Abdul Jabbar ajabbarusa@yahoo.com Posts: 158 From: Connecticut Registered: Jun, 2003 Re: Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague Posted: Jun 7, 2005 8:28 PM Reply How convenient and sweet of you Mr David. You speak with such confidence about the General in one breath and then you express total ignorance about his reported theft or "be-imanee". Well make up your mind. either he is an honest person, so why is he not explaining the loss of 87 million rupees. Why did he offer the sugar mill at such a low cost and why not give it to the highest bidder. If he has done some hanky panky, stop calling him an honest General and tell him to go and appear before the Parliament and answer their questions instead of spending tax payers money on ads in the newspapers.

#9 Shahid Kinnare kinnare2001@yahoo.com Posts: 30 Registered: Oct, 2003 Re: Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague Posted: Jun 7, 2005 8:52 PM Reply David, Paksitan Army Party has not yet produce a single general who has any sort of integrity.

#10 nasah nasah29@aol.com Posts: 1,168 From: USA Registered: Aug, 2003 Re: Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague Posted: Jun 7, 2005 10:38 PM Reply "Certainly javed hashmis case is politically motivated, but yousaf raza gillani is speaking high of the same mussharaaf whose govt was responsible for putting him behind the bars."(David) I agree 100% with david and would myself like to ask Javed Hashmi -- why Javed Hashmi is NOT "speaking high of the same mussharaaf whose govt was responsible for putting him behind the bars.".... ....why? when -- "yousaf raza gillani is speaking high of the same mussharaaf whose govt was responsible for putting him behind the bars" Conclusion: "Certainly javed hashmis case is politically motivated"......

#11 Sannhet sannhet2005@yahoo.no Posts: 32 From: norway Registered: Jun, 2005 Disabled Re: Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague Posted: Jun 8, 2005 4:05 AM Reply David, Paksitan Army Party has not yet produce a single general who has any sort of integrity. ---------------------- Pakistan Punjabi Army has not yet produce a single general who has any "moral character"

#12 Emily Smith sirecorn@yahoo.com Posts: 26 From: usa Registered: Jan, 2005 Re: Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague Posted: Jun 8, 2005 11:00 AM Reply Well, Gen. Amjad did enjoy the reputation of having an impeccable integrity. Was that a facade? His aids were making millions right under his nose.He was also very fond of Sharmila Faruqi and would often meet her besides talking to her on her mobile everyday. One such notorious name is of Ms.Ismat Mehdi who made 20 crore rupees during a very short time. She is still a middlewoman midwiving deals with RAB Sindh. General got removed as he was treading on forbidden areas, e.g. inquiring against Shaukat Aziz's friends, Sadruddin Hashwani and Mansha of MCB for fraudulent aquisitions. Gen.Amjad also made a deal with Irfan Puri and wanted him let off. To talk about appearing before the Parliament.... Do you call it a Parliament.. All hand picked by the General... Dont you recall, Gen.Munir Hafiz, present Chairman NAB.who got an unlawful extention of tenure as LT.General, was summoned at least twice , before senate privelages committee and he refused to appear. Senate keep quiet... Hell with such a Senate and Democracy.

#13 Emily Smith sirecorn@yahoo.com Posts: 26 From: usa Registered: Jan, 2005 Re: Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague Posted: Jun 8, 2005 3:39 PM Reply for last line, 2nd last sentence, please read as,.... "Senate kept quiet...."

#14 Raza Suleman razasuleman@yahoo.com Posts: 26 From: Pakistan Registered: May, 2005 Re: Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague Posted: Jun 8, 2005 4:34 PM Reply I personally respect this army very much. our army as a whole is not bad. every jawan of our army i think should be respected but it is the generals that are no doubt corrupt. So we should not use the word army we should say generals. Talking about parliament more then half of the MPs are hand picked by Gens including mullahs. No parliament has ever dared to question them. If any PM and parliament have tried to do it, had been over thrown by them. If any PM has stood his ground against them in the past that is only one was hanged. Actually these MPs and as a mater of fact we ourselves need to be blamed who choose these MPs who are afraid of Gens and should support those who are loyal to our country.

#15 nasah nasah29@aol.com Posts: 1,168 From: USA Registered: Aug, 2003 Re: Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague Posted: Jun 8, 2005 11:48 PM Reply "Generals Defy, Degrade Parliament to Protect a Corrupt Colleague." -- so what else is NEW in the Generalistan called Pakistan -- afterall whose children are these Generals? ....Daddy General Musharraf got the Presidentship by defying and degrading another Parliament...so why should any thing be different for the sons of Musharraf regarding this 'Parliament'.....

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